Players are 18-22 year olds. All of your comments about a pilot or a doctor using weed before they work are irrelevant. Yes! Assistant coach Jerrance Howard learned in the first of his current run of six seasons at KU that Hudy was a workout machine. Self wouldn't remove one of his players for this offense, and Jerrance Howard was Self's PG at one time. but the point is - this is NOT a double standard. Case, 36, from McAlester, Oklahoma, had served as interim assistant hoops coach at KU since Jerrance Howard left for a similar position at Texas on April 6. Agree with that law or not, it's illegal in Illinois. If he can't follow a contractual agreements with his employer then he is probably a ticking time bomb. New Kansas University basketball assistant coach Jerrance Howard's connections in Chicago might be paying off in recruiting already. Is firing deserved?2. In charge of young people, first Self heard of it....he would be gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjrB1cAldg. Kansas is an American rock band that became popular in the 1970s initially on album-oriented rock charts and later with hit singles such as "Carry On Wayward Son" and "Dust in the Wind". We lose OA, then fine, we do our best to identify our next best replacement. Manning moved to NC but still trusts the staff with Evan. Acceptable to some, unacceptable to others. some people get all caught up well look at him at what a great recruiter he is ya, he is and tell us again how it justifies what has happened, IF he is terminated that's just something we will have to live with, and find another, bottom line is and you can turn it and twist it around all you want BUT he is representing not only the basketball program but he representing the university of Kansas, people say what he does on his time is his business, but under the conditions he is a public figure, surpose to be a role mode, a mentor for these kids, you don't think our recruiting has maybe not ALREADY going o be affected? However, item 4 is (or should be irrelevant). Right? Why? once again you can either say OH certain people are trying to blow this out of proportion, OH its just weed we could come up with all kinds of reasons, or we can say well its legal in a lot of states, WELL GREAT, but like other posters have said I think he will be or should be gone, bottom line is he knew when he had the weed that it WAS NOT legal in Illlnois, he knew that I is an illegal drug, and he also knew the consequences when he had it if he wee to get caught. I'm not so sure Howard should be fired. Why is it so important to some to champion getting 'high' on marijuana? Or "assistant coach/leadership/mentor position to young men" vs. "use of illegal substances"? About 50 drunken Texas cowboys, deterred by bad weather from attending the Dickinson County Fair, accompanied gambler-cum-saloon owner Phil Coe . "I just found out about this late this afternoon. I can enjoy that on the privacy of my own home. (The overall impression, recruiting, etc. I hope photos of Howard and 1/2 the team eating brownies don't surface... Hey Tom Jones. I think that the punishment will be heavy. It is whether Howard told Self about it. You have to suspend him indifinately right now, then deal with this long term after the end of the season. Howard is a good coach and a great recruiter. "We were expecting Billy Preston to play our offense, to get back to our old ways. The word that keeps rolling around for me is trust. As a college institution KU, like all places of education has to maintain a trust with parents that their children's best interests are at the heart of the institution. What does mommy and daddy Mykhailiuk think about this? I want to be clear that I do NOT support drug use, but I think drugs should be decriminalized because it violates the principles of individual Liberty. But I can't be convinced it's good for athletes. I won't have any further comment until we are able to gather more information.". The coaches of a college athletic program are trusted to specifically watch out for their players. That is a pretty big issue then. Let the season end, the recruits decide what to do, and then make a final decision. What transpired after that is what set everything off.”. Winners, right? People should have the freedom to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. He's probably gonna have to let Jerrance go. And I say all this as someone who hasn't smoked pot since high school, which is more years ago than I care to remember. A double standard though, is when identical situations are treated differently. Found inside – Page iiThis book takes the reader on a grand tour of the empirical research concerning the personality trait of appreciation of beauty. By Kyle_Davis21 Sep 7, 2021, 10:00am CDT The Daily Mauling: 9.7.2021 ESPN's Eammon Brennan praised Brown's coaching staff, which also includes former Illinois assistant Jerrance Howard and current Kentucky assistant Rod Strickland:. Self is in a much better position to make an overall judgement. July 2014 to February 2015... At no point, did Howard think, "you know, maybe I should give the boss a heads up..."??? There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having a little bit of weed that you use in your off hours. It can be a starting point to some. The big issue is not the weed. Stark enough for the doobie-bunch? I always wondered about Ricky Williams. Turner's blood. Are you one of those dudes who thought we should jettison the Morri after an air soft incident? ", Coach: "If he has no problem lying to his boss, what do you think he's lying to you about?". How does he act in a way that's fair to Jerrance Howard? If OA were to leave, JH could certainly make up for it in the recruiting department if he is ready for a change of scenery/associate head coach role Do you really think this will lead to postseason bans. I personally don't smoke and I don't care if it's legal or not. "The law needs to be changed" Did you think that Sherron should have been let go because his wang got loose in an elevator? Not a good look. “It’s not something to be proud of. Do you know where that road goes to? Players may help sell our program to other players. Sure, sure. I'm also not surprised he accepted the job or that Self asked him to leave mentor Larry Brown's staff at SMU. You just cannot unring that bell now. Do you really think this will lead to postseason bans. "She came by the office one day and said, 'Come ride a bike with . You have to suspend him indifinately right now, then deal with this long term after the end of the season. Also, I wouldn't blame HCBS if he fired J How. I personally don't smoke and I don't care if it's legal or not. -- just like it would if they got drunk before a game. If you're not willing or ready to give up this kind of 'little bit of pleasure' then go find another job. Let's set aside your personal feelings about weed, misdemeanors, and changing public opinion. People should have the freedom to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Coaches are usually in their 30'-60's. And, no reefer-heads, this isnt about you or your 'freedoms'...its about image and alumni dollars and perceptions. Yeah, here it is. Not just fans of other schools, but perhaps prominent people as well. Completely different situations. Have been thru grade 20, was a Phi Beta Kappa, a scholarship student, and still don't get it. However, two strikes and you're yout. If this is the first Bill heard of this he will be fired by the next tip-off. The offense happened last summer and just now Self finds out about it? That sure sounds like a fair description of the best assistant coach in the country to me. You nailed the root of the problem, not leveling with his boss. However, two strikes and you're yout. It might be in our best interest to part ways during a lull in the off season, have his replacement ready to name at the same time. That's a problem. doesn't matte how much it was, a joint, a dime bag,1/2 ounce, its all the same. That is not something Bill Self can ignore without sacrificing his integrity. Some of you might come from a culture where smoking weeds is a 'must' - at least once in your life, that's just too sad. A good percentage of the players and the coaches smoke it recreationally, including some of the biggest stars in college sports. The biggest violation to me is the one that occurred with coach Self. A Wednesday report from Kirk Wessler, of the Peoria Journal-Star, KU assistant coach Jerrance Howard to serve 2-week suspension, KU assistant Jerrance Howard leaving Kansas to join Chris Beard at Texas, http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/103034/top10thursday-best-dunks-in-ncaa-history, Kansas Jayhawks at Washburn Basketball Camp 2021. If the oil boom goes bust (of course) will the Lone Star State look to diversify the state economy? It leads to the inevitable question: What's it to ya & why is it so important to you? Kansas is . KANSAS 56, BAYLOR 55• Box scoreWaco, Texas ? In charge of young people, first Self heard of it....he would be gone. Kansas State fell to 8-10 and 1-5 in conference play. It would be comical. But Howard is radioactive now. If it's for some medical treatment, it's a different story. I hate for anyone to lose their jobs, especially if otherwise that person has preformed admirable. Ask President Clinton. The actual issue at hand is that Jerrance Howard lied to his boss about an arrest and conviction of an offense by not telling him about it. When I was in college, I thought an activity ticket was about $ 2.00, & was the ticket to all basketball or football games. Maybe you should get off your "soapbox" and actually read and understand Aaron's post. It might be in our best interest to part ways during a lull in the off season, have his replacement ready to name at the same time. C'mon man! It's high time (pun intended) that America joins the real world and legalizes marijuana. A basketball game between the University of Kansas and Kansas State University ended in a bench-clearing brawl Tuesday night. Did you think that Sherron should have been let go because his wang got loose in an elevator? When you commit a DUI, you're basically putting a loaded weapon on the road and endangering yourself and others. Players and coaches not only hurt their own career but they hurt their teams as well. Yea I didn't read the whole article. If he can't follow a contractual agreements with his employer then he is probably a ticking time bomb. If I was a fan watching, depending on your perspective, there would be nothing about that intriguing me to watch more.”, Kansas' director of athletics, Jeff Long, said Tuesday night that the behavior was "simply unacceptable and not reflective of who we are. Who does this hurt? if you do holler at me I got some swamp land in flordia I would love to see ya. If he did not tell Self, then what else will he hide from the Head Coach? I could go on . He should have told Self at the time, but to equate having a small amount of pot with a DUI is LUDICROUS. That's the impact here, if they don't care about the situation, then leave it up to Self to determine appropriate punishment. The public safety implications of a dui or running a stop sign. "And Jerrance Howard still . Part of the job description for Jerrance Howard and the other coaches at KU, no matter the sport, is encouraging their players to make smart decisions and own up to their mistakes when they are made. Or simply "setting an example" vs. "use of illegal substance(pot)"? Sorry, Snacks, you are done. I'd rather contend with a drunk driver than a pot head -- one ran me clear off the road! Yeah, that's funny. The suspension is effective immediately. As students engage these texts, they develop their analytic and contextualizing skills. Ever the Twain Shall Meet provides excellent source materials for courses in U.S. history, political science, and religious studies courses. About us / He would also make the PG play improve significantly and us arguably a top 5 PG all time at KU. It's already happened in Colorado and Washington, and is bound to happen elsewhere soon. and they will take the approach the same as I said. Woven into the story as well are the players who powered Wooden's championship teams – Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Walt Hazzard, and others – many of whom speak frankly about their coach. "I had told them not to press, not to foul," Weber said. you don't think some of the possible recruits parents won't catch wind of this? What about Brannen's parents or Oubre's? However, Self isn't considering public policy, he has to consider how this impacts his basketball program, which involves factors other than potential tax revenue on marijuana. This is less than running a stop sign or a dui. Second thing - and many have already touched on this - Jerrance didn't tell Billy. "I had told them to back off, but the kids are young guys. Do you think it would be different at UNC or Duke? Poor judgment on his part putting himself in that situation and making it worse by essentially lying about it. Players are players, and coaches are coaches. I still don't get it. So, he had some weed. With Late Night in the Phog right around the corner, Kansas men's basketball hosted its media day from Allen Fieldhouse on Thursday. and they will take the approach the same as I said. Or you are on an airliner that does not have a Malaysian pilot, but an American one, who happens to reside in Colorado, and has a particular persuasion for a particular substance...And lets say he's attempting to land that plane at night, in the rain, in a crosswind...Or, lets get Dale Earnhardt, jr higher than a kite and then sit him in his 800+hp stock car and try to push 200mph...sound like a good idea? RCJHKU! He then stood over Gordon and barked at him. And one could argue the merits (or lack there of) of the drug laws throughout the States. Come play for us!". For example, imagine parents of big recruits sitting across the table from Howard knowing--or at least imagining--he smokes pot.). What is probably more important than the law is team policy. Not good though that guy is a heck of a recruiter. Even Texas is considering a medical marijuana bill this session. Howard is a good coach and a great recruiter. And one could argue the merits (or lack there of) of the drug laws throughout the States. I could go on . But he also did a one-year stint under Larry Brown at SMU and he has head-coaching experience, albeit as an interim at Illinois. Roy, Jerry Sloane, and Pop is a great combination of coaches to have learned from. He should also be suspended for a game or two because he used poor judgment by doing something that is illegal. Again he knew the trouble this could cause, if not why did he not come out right of and disclose to coach self? But make no mistake...it's a crock, too. Jerrance Howard is in an authority position and held to a higher standard because of that authority he has. Players and coaches not only hurt their own career but they hurt their teams as well. Classic case of actions of a subordinate making his boss look bad. Two things immediately jump out to me about this story - 1 - the timing of it. Ask President Clinton. But even if drugs were legal, his BOSS does not allow the use of them. And to be sure, there is NO gray zone in Illinois or Kansas regarding marijuana at the time of this occurrence or of this story. Point number 3 would be a concern. "Just a little weed..." is what an individual says in an attempt to downplay or justify their view (as you did so nicely). Thanks for getting us Cliff. Not good though that guy is a heck of a recruiter. If he'd told Self when it happened, they could have been in front of this, probably enforced a less harsh penalty, because they would have avoided the embarrassment and the inevitable suspicion that follows any time something is supposedly "uncovered". It has to take the high road. When Game 1 of the NBA Finals tips off in Oakland, Calif., on Thursday night, Kansas basketball assistant Jerrance Howard will be one of the few people in the building torn between the two teams. A Wednesday report from Kirk Wessler, of the Peoria Journal-Star. Think: a former Self player gets caught, and he currently works for Self. KU basketball assistant Jerrance Howard leaving for Texas . Self, who called the fight an "embarrassment" Tuesday night, said he was shaking the opposing coach's hand when the brawl erupted and did not see what happened until people rushed onto the court. Sometimes they have to hit rock bottom. Don't give up your day job. Self wouldn't remove one of his players for this offense, and Jerrance Howard was Self's PG at one time. Y'all dont think Self will fire Howard simply on principle, as this could easily hamper Self's recruiting efforts. Bill Self could cherry pick who he wants almost to replace Howard. The actual issue at hand is that Jerrance Howard lied to his boss about an arrest and conviction of an offense by not telling him about it. But I can't be convinced it's good for athletes. I would put money on Bill reevaluating his position this summer. While Self has the utmost respect for Brown, he knows he needs to have the best personnel. Here you go, just look above. Simply put, it just become a business decision and whatever they decide "doing the right thing" is all that matters. Get a clue! Wow, I'm late to another retarded conversation about whether pot should be legal or not. Illinois fans need to come to grips with this reality. Here's what this incident looks like in recruiting, Coach: "You know Coach Howard lied to Self about a drug conviction last summer while on staff at Kansas. If it's not the most expensive staff in the country, it has to be close. In fact, I think the use of marijuana to incarcerate thousands of people a year is destructive moral ill itself. Have had a few guys try to explain the benefit. My guess is that he gets suspended for as many games as a player would and Bill moves on. It troubles me greatly that Howard just didnt go to Bill Self and disclose the situation. do I want to turn my son over to this guy, this university where the role model is arrested for drugs? I'm just not rooting for it... Wow, great perspectives from both sides (to-fire/not-to fire).
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